Epoch are in production!?

[sg219]

Its all about the prices.

Your selling them on such a high-end mark-up, it seems as if your not interested in selling to people that are actually into the Epoch and know better. A.K.A....All about the profit.

I can say this too, I bought them from R7R at that price (150.33), and that price was offerd to ALL people that were members of R7R, not just the first 10. Ripper was selling them from one Epoch hobbiest to another. You help me, I'll help you.

Your prices are nowhere in that range. The range of the everyday Epoch enthusist.

I'm just an a-bleep-ole when it comes to people trying to make a hobby an obscene profit maker.

Like what happened to baseball cards in the 90's. I used to collect them and trade, and then came all DEALERS trying to set prices and profits, no more fans/collectors that were in it to help out each other. I understand this is America and we as a country revolve around profits margins.

Whats the need for specials? The people you'll be dealing with are avid fans of the Epoch, not just browsers. Offer the same price all the time.

This, I feel, needs to happen. At least until there are some actual new products and items.

Whats the difference if I got them from K-Mart along with my Fruit-of-the-Looms. We don't know that you didn't get them for a steal and marking them up to the current prices. A price is a price. I paid a lot less and got a lot more in return.

The prices I posted are the exact pricing. Not the under $60 you mentioned. Go to your store and put one in the cart. You'll see that its clearly more. You mention a discount, the only way you know about that is if your in the inner circle of things. Other than that your screwed.

[crazydave]

I too would like to see a lower price point, but I think maybe you're being just a bit harsh towards tiny, SG. To me it seems as though he supports and helps smaller scenes, where as companies like Tower Hobbies exploits it.

Look at the Iwaver, I'm sure at the numbers Towers having produced in, they could easily beat MZR's price, but they are $10 more. Again with Microsizers, TinyRC sold them at the same price as Tower, when you know Tower was getting them for much cheaper. Now Tower is clearing out speed sets for $2.50, that were originally sold for $20. How's Tiny gonna compete with that? Now just imagine if Tower got a hold of of Epochs. They'd be the ones with exclusive distribution, jacked up prices, and then when the popularity died off, they'd clear them out.

I thought I understood that you're a business owner yourself, SG, I would think you'd relate to the little guy's struggle in trying to compete against the bigger guys.

[epoch1-43]

Originally Posted by sg219

Your selling them on such a high-end mark-up, it seems as if your not interested in selling to people that are actually into the Epoch and know better. A.K.A....All about the profit.

sg219, can you explain where you're coming from on this - you have no idea what our costs are?

Originally Posted by sg219

I can say this too, I bought them from R7R at that price (150.33), and that price was offerd to ALL people that were members of R7R, not just the first 10. Ripper was selling them from one Epoch hobbiest to another. You help me, I'll help you.

Okay, do you understand that they were being liquidated, and that this was a special close-out deal?

Originally Posted by sg219

I'm just an a-bleep-ole when it comes to people trying to make a hobby an obscene profit maker.

Well, you're pointing your finger at the wrong people I'm afraid. We're in this for the hobbyist, it's the big monopolies like Tower that you should be getting frustrated with, not the little guys.

Originally Posted by sg219

Whats the need for specials? The people you'll be dealing with are avid fans of the Epoch, not just browsers.
...
You mention a discount, the only way you know about that is if your in the inner circle of things. Other than that your screwed.

Well, in my opinion this is a great demonstration of how we are in it for the hobbyist, by giving discounts to the real enthusiasts.

Keep the ideas coming.

[epoch1-43]

Originally Posted by arfin

Yeah i think that the deal SG is talking about is close out, well mine was around same price when Apex was closing out.

Since i don't know what you are paying for them this might not sound fair, but how about keeping the RTR's at the same price regular, and making the chassis kits at a sale price, because most people are in need of the chassis not the RTR.

Sure - give me some suggestions $-wise?

[epoch1-43]

Originally Posted by crazydave

I too would like to see a lower price point, but I think maybe you're being just a bit harsh towards tiny, SG. To me it seems as though he supports and helps smaller scenes, where as companies like Tower Hobbies exploits it.

Look at the Iwaver, I'm sure at the numbers Towers having produced in, they could easily beat MZR's price, but they are $10 more. Again with Microsizers, TinyRC sold them at the same price as Tower, when you know Tower was getting them for much cheaper. Now Tower is clearing out speed sets for $2.50, that were originally sold for $20. How's Tiny gonna compete with that? Now just imagine if Tower got a hold of of Epochs. They'd be the ones with exclusive distribution, jacked up prices, and then when the popularity died off, they'd clear them out.

I thought I understood that you're a business owner yourself, SG, I would think you'd relate to the little guy's struggle in trying to compete against the bigger guys.

Thanks cd, that's a very good example. What makes it worse too is that Tower/GP set minimum prices that dealers can sell at, and then go and undercut us, and like you mentioned, then go and liquidate them for a fraction of the price.

[sessiz]

True we don't know your costs but if your hoping for a "revival" then you're gonna have to come down on the price of rtr sets. Maybe a permanant discount for forum members or monthly sales spread out sporadically so that members who frequent this forum can catch the deal. This car is worth the $80 in my opinion but I allready have 2 and at $80 I won't be getting another, if ya get my drift.

[arch2b]

Originally Posted by sessiz

True we don't know your costs but if your hoping for a "revival" then you're gonna have to come down on the price of rtr sets. Maybe a permanant discount for forum members or monthly sales spread out sporadically so that members who frequent this forum can catch the deal. This car is worth the $80 in my opinion but I allready have 2 and at $80 I won't be getting another, if ya get my drift.

i've been discussing similar ideas with epoch1-43 myself. please understand that feedback is a good thing i'm not speaking for epoch but as an experienced moderator on a couple of the forums. just be rational about assumptions and unknowns insults wheither alluded to or clearly expressed are not a means of positive constructive cricism and not conducive to a posititve feedback environment.

[sessiz]

Originally Posted by arch2b

i've been discussing similar ideas with epoch1-43 myself. please understand that feedback is a good thing i'm not speaking for epoch but as an experienced moderator on a couple of the forums. just be rational about assumptions and unknowns insults wheither alluded to or clearly expressed are not a means of positive constructive cricism and not conducive to a posititve feedback environment.

Uh...was I alluding an insult or making an assumption?
You were probably just speaking in general though and only quoted my post as an example of constructive criticism.

[epoch1-43]

Originally Posted by sessiz

True we don't know your costs but if your hoping for a "revival" then you're gonna have to come down on the price of rtr sets. Maybe a permanant discount for forum members or monthly sales spread out sporadically so that members who frequent this forum can catch the deal. This car is worth the $80 in my opinion but I allready have 2 and at $80 I won't be getting another, if ya get my drift.

sessiz, I don't get your drift - we already extended the 25% off through the end of August - that's under $60, not $80; you even say it's worth $80, so surely this is a really good deal?

[arch2b]

Originally Posted by sessiz

Uh...was I alluding an insult or making an assumption?
You were probably just speaking in general though and only quoted my post as an example of constructive criticism.

i was not referring to you sessiz just general reflection...